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I am re reading the Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight, and it is rocking me again... and what i am getting out of it is that Sustainability and meditation are the only important factors we should focus on for a few generations, if we make it that far... Jai Ma JoyUs
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 1:47 AMAloha Joyus,
I'm so excited to see you and the pictures of costa Rica and the manifestation of the vision you've been carrying...i hope to direct myself south asap, which will be some time from now...anyway for books, A Language Older than Words by Derrick Jensen is a must read
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Mon, November 7, 2005 - 4:09 PMwow! i found Derick Jensen's book "a launguage older than words." your right, it is a must read. thanks.
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Mon, October 17, 2005 - 9:26 PMI really enjoyed the Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight Book. One idea that has stuck in my mind and I feel could warrant some further examination is the agricultural practices of the Kayapo tribe of Brazil. He explains that they have a system where they vary the crops grown in a small plot of land. First they fall trees in a small area to make a circle, and plant nitrogen fixers. At the end of the season, they burn the trees, distribute the ash and harvest the crop. The second year, they plant various crops, with the more sun-intensive ones in the center, and shade-loving ones on the periphery. Every year they start a new plot, so each plot is a bit different depending on when it was started. After about 7 years of using a plot they stop cultivating on that land altogether and let it grow back into forest. The great thing is that even after it has become 'natural forest' again, they are still harvesting from fruit trees. I love the organic nature of this practice, and its ability to keep soil alive and fertile (because after sowing crops year after year on the same land it will become unfertile - so he says - I don't have enough experience to judge this notion) I wonder if anyone has any thoughts or experience with this sort of agriculture . . -
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Tue, October 18, 2005 - 6:07 AMIt's a form of permaculture, but letting the area grow back into "natural forest" again is not a viable idea. It would take some 1,000 years for Nature to return an area to climax forest with all the mosses, insects, animals and the rest of the ecosystem. The trick is to use the same land while making the soil better than it was in natural forest. In the wet tropics, forest soil is usually not all that fertile, most the fertility being tied up in the vegetation. -
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Tue, October 18, 2005 - 3:53 PMThanks for your reply Roy - I have some questions in response, either to you or anyone else:
1. Could it be that the using of only small areas fostered rapid growth and return to forest?
2. How would you make the same land ever more fertile? A principle I have come across is that it is the trees that replenish minerals from deep in the earth and I thought there was a connection between this principle and the Kayapo practice . .
3.Why do various different cultures use the 7th year of rest or abandonment principle? (I know the Jewish tribes originally favored rest, and the Kayapo abandonment)
4. It seems that the Kayapo have been sustainable for thousands of years - were they destroying the forest (the book suggests they were not)? What then would be the benefit to the Kayapo of moving to different parcels - that are according to you soil-poor - rather than using the same one by building up the soil year after year? -
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Tue, October 18, 2005 - 6:20 PM1) Very tiny areas, maybe. In climax forest, when a big tree falls, there is a sequence to return the temporarily "cleared" area back to forest. If by small areas you mean 10 or 20 hectares, no.
2) Tropical rainforest soils are often quite low in organic material because decay is so rapid with it being wet & hot all year round. If you use crops that fix nitrogen and add higher than normal organic material, the soils will be more fertile.
3) Because they don't really understand planting "green manure". Letting it happen naturally will work but it's not as effective.
4) You must understand that the soil is usually poor in tropical forests. The fertility is mostly tied up in the vegetation. When you cut down primary forest and burn it, you get a surge in fertility in all mineral nutrients except nitrogen. Most the fixed nitrogen is lost to the atmosphere. The rest of the minerals go to the soil and are available to the first crop. However, in high rainfall areas, much of this is lost in leaching over the next few years and ends up in streams and rivers. If you really build the organic (humus) levels of the soil, more of these mineral nutrients are fixed in the soil, much of them taken up by greatly increased numbers of microorganisms. -
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Wed, October 19, 2005 - 3:21 PMThe Kayapo practice is to fell 10-20 trees so that they fall outward from the center to form a circle - seems like a pretty small area to me. The first year they grow nitrogen fixers, and other crops the next 5-6 years.
In terms of minerals, if you keep on growing food crops won't you deplete the minerals unless you add something to it? Is this not a benefit of the Kayapo practice, where they get 1. small areas of land enriched with nutrients from the action of trees, and 2. you are not leveling large amounts of land, so are retaining the continuity of the forest?
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Tue, October 18, 2005 - 6:18 PMsat nam ji! wow, just got done buying a half ton of coal. thats intence. the problem is economical. you can heat a house all winter for $30 if you collect wood and coal. using natural gas it can be around $200 a month. so i am in the thick of fossil fuel consumtion. but read some good books lately, light reading. ever heard of Jean M. Auel? the earths children series about life a couple ice ages ago makes me want to start hunting again, tame some horses and live in a cave somewhere. wah! started a new one by Edward Abbey called "black sun" he wrote the monkey wrench gang. it's good so far. will look for "last hours...." -
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Fri, October 21, 2005 - 1:36 PMWow Joyus, the white wind has really wisked you into a magical place....once again. Congratulations on truly transforming your dreams into reality, and what a sweet reflection it is!
I have a load of must read books...but I'll start with the latest one I have read...Power vs. Force by David Hawkins. This book has forever changed my reality! gotz to run.....Sai Ram! Libby
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Sun, October 30, 2005 - 2:59 PMHola Joyus!
Thanks for the recommendation -- I will look for the Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight. Given what y'all are up to there in Heaven, thought you might enjoy "Ask And It Is Given" by Esther and Jerry Hicks -- the best I've ever seen on deliberate creation; and The Co-Creator's Handbook by Carolyn Anderson and Kathryn Roske, of Global Family -- great technology for community building through core groups and communication. Both are available online at abraham-hicks.com and globalfamily.net, respectfully.
Many Blessings,
Gracie
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Mon, November 7, 2005 - 1:21 PMcheck it pedrito
we got like 5 books from paul stamets and we are getting all the mushroom spours to enauculate the everywhere!!!!
good things in da mix!!!
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Mon, November 7, 2005 - 4:12 PMhey, i got my library to order Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight
should be here in a week or so. did you ever finish your ikyta test and get certified? -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 9:50 PMthe botany of desire
in the absence of the sacred, the failure of technology & the survival of the indian nations -
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Sun, November 27, 2005 - 12:06 PMpower of intention, wayne dyer -
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Fri, December 9, 2005 - 5:06 PMpower of now, eckhart tolle
my ishmael, daniel quinn
mastery of love, don miguel ruiz
movies: i heart huckabees & what the bleep -
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Mon, February 13, 2006 - 9:36 AMAwakening Spirits; a native american path to inner peace, healing, and spiritual growth, Tom Brown Jr.
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Mon, February 20, 2006 - 7:54 AMThe Dictionary
An earthly guide to Word Consciousness.
A tool to elevate language from empty habit
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Mon, February 20, 2006 - 10:19 AMI am in the midst of an amazing work by Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy entitled "The Laughing Jesus" this is some Holy Shit that would change the world if we could force feed it to everyone who can't see all as One. I highly reccommend it to All as One....e
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Tue, April 11, 2006 - 5:59 PMLoved Islandia. It is a book from the 1940's Austin Tappan Wright is the author. It is about an earth based imaginary ecotopian society that basically intentionally chooses not to go modern. It's a really thick book (at least 3 inches paperback).
Both of these are thin books: Ecotopia. CA secedes from the rest of the US. Some good ideas. Plus, The Alchemist by Paulo Cuelho is always good inspiration.
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Thu, October 5, 2006 - 8:51 PMthe disappearance of the universe, by gary renard
"as the catepillar becomes a butterfly
you will become christ and be one with all of true creation" -
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Thu, December 7, 2006 - 2:35 PMI'd highly recommend Garden Planet...the first part is a very concise (and scary) rundown of all of the ways in which our civilization is doomed. The second part is a very inspiring message about how we have the possibility to imprint a new culture onto our species to bring us to the next level. An excellent book and a good one to share with people you love as it is a slim volume.
The same author has an online book called Final Empire: www.rainbowbody.net/Finalempire/
~shiva
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